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Question #89937 posted on 06/19/2017 2:32 p.m.

Dear 100 Hour Board,

2 Ne 2:25 Adam fell that men might be, and men are that they might have joy.

Being that Eve was actually the first person to eat the fruit, and that the church tells us she was thoughtful about it and that it was a good thing and that she knew what she was doing, shouldn't it be "Eve fell that men might be"? Or even "Eve and Adam fell...." Why does Adam get the credit when Eve took the initiative and did it first?

-Sammy Davis Jr.


Dear Samwise the Brave,

This is a really thought provoking question, and deals with topics I've thought about quite a bit within the past several months. Specifically, I've been thinking about how things in the scriptures and even temple are mainly phrased in terms of the men involved. For example, when looking at the Abrahamic covenant, we teach about the promises he received, such as seed without number as applying to him. Which it does. We just seem to forget that it applies just as much to Sarah. Even not mentioning specific examples, it's the most common for us to portray events from the man's point of view. Masculine pronouns are used to describe promises and covenants meant for all people, women and men.

I'm sure part of the reason for this just has to do with making the phrasing flow as well as possible; it would be awkward to always have to say "him or her", "he or she" every time the scriptures say "he" or "him". I also think it has a lot to do with the fact human society has been pretty dang sexist through the centuries. 

God is perfect, and is no respecter of persons; he values his daughters just as much as His sons. However, we are not perfect. Thus while we receive perfect revelation and knowledge from God, we do not always relate that information perfectly. Personally, I think that not highlighting Eve's role in the Fall more is an example of us imperfectly recording revelation. 

While it would be amazing and wonderful for the Lord's prophets to always perfectly express every aspect of the truth they have received, as mortals, that's not going to happen. So, I think that just means we need to be open to receiving our own revelation as we study scripture and words of our current prophets, so we can make sure of receiving a fullness of truth through the Spirit, even when the speaker may not have been able to write down every pertinent facet of truth.



Dear Sammy,

I think Adam and Eve share equal credit for the fall. Eve had the initiative and pragmatism to make something happen, and Adam had the loyalty and obedience to stick with his wife.

However, I think to say "Eve and Adam fell that men might be," would imply that they made the decision together, which they did not. Eve acted alone, and had Adam not joined her, man could not have been. I imagine that Eve is most grateful out of all of us that Adam chose to fall too, so I don't think she would be offended at the wording chosen in 2 Ne. 2:25.