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Dear Gillian's Friend:
First, what exactly does "thus saith the Lord" mean? From
the FARMS website:
"Messenger Formula—"Thus saith the Lord" (found thirty-nine times in the Book of Mormon, e.g., 1 Nephi 20:17; Mosiah 3:24; Alma 8:17). Samuel twice used the expression, "therefore, thus saith the Lord" (Helaman 13:8, 11). The formula introduces oracular language, and hence is often found at the beginning of a pericope or section. Either God or a prophet is the speaker of the messenger formula. Its purpose is to indicate the origin and authority of the revelation."
Here are some statements of others from the Bloggernacle for your consideration, coupled with my thoughts.
From
Times & Seasons:
Wade, playing the devil's advocate: "After all, I haveń’t heard too many 'thus saith the Lord' statements lately-couldń’t one assume that all modern day workings are just 'policy' and therefore okay to disagree with?"
I don't think people who draw a line between practice and policy are claiming that they need a "thus saith the Lord" to believe something is the will of the Lord.
Curtis: "Whether a thing a prophet states is a revelation from the Lord or not, I think it is entirely up in the air unless the person receiving the revelation states that it is from the Lord. Everything else is opinion. If Pres. Hinckley says, 'thus saith the Lord' I could be convinced. Other than that, what comes from the Lord and what comes from his own opinion are pretty much up for grabs."
Okay, maybe not.
From
By Common Consent:
Jeffrey Gilliam: "The voice of the Lord would seem, under some versions of the expansion theory, to be concepts given from the Lord to Joseph́’s mind and then given in his voice. This would certianly seem to challenge the thesis that those 'thus saith the Lord' passages are really God́’s actual words. This reminds me of the passage in D&C 1:24."
Here is the scripture, for reference: "Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding."
I think this is an important point to remember. Commandments ultimately come from God, but they are put through the filter of our individual understanding.
Geoff J.: "'Thus saith the Lord' is just verbiage to me.
Slapping a 'thus saith the Lord' in front of a revelation does not make it more true or more reliable and omitting the 'thus saith the Lord' does not make it more suspect. The revelation either reflects God́’s opinion and truth or it doesń’t — regardless of the language used. Our responsibility to receive personal revelation (
à la Nephí’s example) on it is paramount. Í’ve also argued in several places that it is that personal revelation that changes us anyway — not Joseph́’s or any other prophet́’s revelations."
I like the bolded statement. "Thus saith the Lord," of its own accord, can neither prove nor disprove the veracity of a revelation.
It's a scripture mastery, but true, nevertheless: "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled,
whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same" (D&C 1:38).
I think mandating that those exact words come from our prophets and apostles is awfully prescriptivist and nit-picky to the point of ignoring the content of their message.
Our leaders definitely do testify that they have the authority to tell us the mind of the Lord: "If you are discouraged, if you are puzzled, if you are seeking for greater light, greater joy and happiness, investigate these revealed truths.
Find out for yourself. Come and listen to
a prophet́’s voice. I bear you my sacred witness that God lives, that Jesus Christ is his living Son—our Savior, our Lord, our king. I testify to you that
Jesus Christ now speaks to the inhabitants of this world in this day and age through living prophets. I testify that true apostles and prophets now live who can and do say, 'Thus saith the Lord!'" ("Thus Saith the Lord," Elder Theodore M. Burton,
Ensign, December 1971.)
If that's not a pretty clear indicator that both General Conference and our own inspiration include true revelation, I don't know what is. You are on the right track in your thinking. Keep up the good work.
---Portia